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Do the Palestinian deserve to be invaded because the Romans took Jerusalem in 70 AD, and they want it back NOW?
There is no justification for the Israelis to constantly impede and invade the land of the indigenous people living there, the Palestinian Arabs. To massacre them, arrest them in the thousands, most younger than 18, and deny them to relate with the outside world. That is anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, and frankly, anti-human, and if the Israelis had a styme of sense as to supporting their illegal theocratic regime and making sure it lasts longer, they wouldn't deny the Palestinians a state and basic human rights.

Hm, just because the Native Americans were on this land before Christian men didn't stop us from slaughtering their villages and pushing them onto reservations -- but thats another story.

Point is, boo hoo, the most sophisticated and powerful people rule the world. The jews were there first, and the Palestinians are welcome in all other middle eastern countries, such as Syria and Jordan and all other places. But thats not good enough, they want to take Jewish land. So , the Palestinians have plenty of places to go, the Jews are hated worldwide, their options are limited.

You must be getting your information from America's media, an anti-Jew media. Do me a favor and meet with actual Israelis and then see how they respond to Jews from America. Do you have any idea how defensive most Israelis are of bashing AGAINST Palestinians? Do you have any idea how protective they are of their Palestinian friends? How did the Jews come in there and 'steal' the land and 'jail' the people and massacre them? Are you referring to when the Palestinians along with every other Arab nation surrounding them invaded Israel because there were now 'JEWS' there and in response, the Jews killed a load of their enemy? Are you referring to when in the Six Days War, Gamal Abdel Nasser said that the only day that they would stop attacking Israel was when all the 'JEWS' were dead? Are you referring to those massacres when the Israelis defended themselves?

You talk about anti-human, anti-Muslim, and anti-Jew. Let me tell you what is anti-human. Strapping a bomb to your child's chest and telling them to go and blow themselves up in the name of Allah. That is anti-human. Show me Israeli child bombers please. Are you referring to all the under eighteen year old terrorists who shoot at Jews getting arrested? I'm sure you didn't know that fact because of course, the media where you get your information does not provide it. Do not speak about the cruelties of the Israelis without first looking at the atrocities of the Palestinians.

Now, I am not anti-Arab nor am I anti-Israeli. However, the same as you wouldn't side with Osama Bin Laden is the same reason I do not side with the Palestinian terrorists: innocent lives are lost because of their 'jihads.' And, for such a violent and criminally based people as you accuse the Jews of being, can you give me the Jewish word for Holy War? If you can give me that word, I would very much appreciate it. However, I seriously doubt you will find it because we do not have one. There is no such thing as a Holy War to the Jewish people. War is bad. Simple as that.

Now...At a time when there was NO WHERE for the Jews to go, where France hated the Jews, Germans hated the Jews, all Eastern European Jews were nearly dead, Palestine was a sure place to go, especially since a lot were already there. Why is it the day after the British Mandate pulls up, Israel is attacked? Even before a government was decided upon for the Jews and even before there were any laws set up, Israel was forced to defend itself against another potential Holocaust. You tell me...Was it because the Jews were Jewish or was it because a new people had moved into Israel. I don't see Americans killing all the Mexicans for border hopping. Why should the Muslims kill the Jews for coming into Israel, being given a land OWNED by the British. You speak of the Romans conquering Jerusalem in 70AD. I speak of the British Mandate which controlled Israel and Jordan, a map can be seen [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/BritishMandatePalestine1920.png]here[/url]. So, that entire area was known as Palestine. And a small portion is taken for a people that were being executed with a total of six million dead and the world goes against them? Why?

Because you refuse to eat shellfish and pork, what the hell is wrong with you?

Yeah, the Jews are really hated in America, Canada, the whole western hemisphere, all over, right?
Does it give them an excuse to create a nation out of thin air and oppress the people living there? No.
Where there Jews living in Palestine before Israel was created, and did they get along? Yes.
And Jacob, Wolf Blitzer is anti-Jew? Haha last time I checked, he was a backer for APAIC, last time I checked, Sean Hannity and Fox Noise defend Israel for everything it does. And in light of me not having any cable, not even basic, whatsoever, I don't think in watching ANY media, do you? I could be perhaps, reading books on the subject, or researching, maybe.... forming independant opinions based on fact, you know.......
No, actually about massacres I'm talking about THIS...

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The following list of massacres is by no means exclusive, but they reflect the nature of the Zionist occupation of Palestine and Lebanon and show that massacres and expulsions were not aberrations that happen in any war, but organized atrocities with only one aim, that is to have a Zionist state which is 'goyim rein'.

The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacr
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres
Western Bekaa villages Massacre:

AND ACTUALLY THERE IS A HOLY WAR IN JEWISH FAITH READ THE TALMUD.
The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. THEY ARE BEASTS." TALMUD: Baba Mezia, 114b
IT IS PERMITTED TO TAKE THE BODY AND LIFE OF A GENTILE." TALMUD: Sepher Ikkarim III c 25
Even though God created the non-Jew they are still ANIMALS in human form. It is not becoming of a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form." TALMUD: Midrasch Talpioth, p 225

PLEASE NOTE NOT ALL JEWS FOLLOW THIS BUT HARD LINE ZIONIST SETTLERS USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE PLEASE NOTE

ETC. ETC.
Also, if the land is owned by a colonist occupier, such as Britain, and the indigenous people don't want their land to be given to foreigners, why not resist?

Truthfully, i had no idea that the Jews were hated in the Western Hemisphere, but that might explain why America is with Israel and how the majority of Jews live in America too....

Anyway, strapping a child to a bomb is not anti-human. Do you think they like it when they take their child like that? Do you think the parents are happy when they do that because their child will "go to heaven?" What is anti human is taking a village, and telling all the villagers and everything to get the hell out to another one of their Arab countries. There is no justification of kicking out the indigenous out of the country. Have you thought that maybe some of the villagers might have children? Maybe some under the age of 6? Looks to me like some people don't care about kids either...
Also, just because some country like Britain takes over a country doesn't mean it's really theirs... Britain took over lots of countries. Europe took over almost all of Africa. Does that mean, Europe owns Africa? Hell no they don't.
In addition, of course, we don't kill Mexicans for hopping over the border. It's because they're supposed to be illegal and they come in small numbers. However, tell me, when the United Nations decide for Mexicans to come into the border against the US rule and hundreds of thousands of Mexicans come into the border; I'd like to see our reaction then. I'd be surprised if some Texans didn't take their shotguns and go hunt a lot of them out.

You keep saying you guys took a little land...well, maybe you didn't check out that link I showed...

Oh, I'm sorry, no one is really trying to remember the date and time and place of every bomb that exploded on a Jewish bus. Did Israel not give up the Gaza Strip, forcing their own citizens out? That and parts of the West Bank? Correct me if I am wrong, that was what, two? Three years ago? And yeah, the United States offers Jews to come and stay in the country, as does the U.K. and maybe a few other allied countries. But France doesn't like them, Germany, well, I won't even go into the history of it. No one wants to live in Brazil except for ex Nazis. And if the palestinians can have their own country, why can't the Jews? Sure, the palestinians were there before the Jews, but they didn't exactly have their own government there. And if Britain wants to hand over the country to Jews or to anyone else, well then, thats their decision.

Now, I don't agree that gives permission for anyone to go on a killing spree. But what are you saying then, that Hezzbollah is justified in their killings? Well then, I guess in that case, Hitler had every reason to kill every jew in his country. Hurray for human rights! And if you believe they are justified, well, you might just as well believe that the terrorist attacks in Spain, Britain, and New York are all completely justified.

And I'd sure as hell love to see the U.N. try to let the mexicans take over this country, it would only prove my point even further that the U.N. is worthless. And the minutemen on the border that shoot the illegal immigrants, well, if thats what it takes then thats what it takes. They can either A, try to improve their government, or expect to come over here and be treated as equally as everyone else, but remain an illegal alien. But lets not turn this into a border debate.

We've gotten way off topic here. I don't see the terrorists demanding their own country, and staking claims in the United States, do you? As far as I've heard, they want all ''United States tyranny'' to end. Thats means complete annihilation. Not of the U.K., not of Israel, but of the United States. And God willing, if that means joining up with the Army to protect the future of my family and sacrificing my life, not for the government, not for the president, but to ensure a peaceful future, then I will do it.

Oh, I checked out this site from which you got the list of massacres. The Death Masters? Yeah, most of the so called ''massacres'' are less than thirty people. You know, near my old town that I used to live in, a true massacre occurred. One where something like, 173 greeks were killed, that were really families of miners that had gone on strike. The US government called in the army to force them back to work, but instead they opened up with gatling guns, without warning, into the camp. Thats a massacre, killing intentionally without any reason except true hate. Yet, that isn't recorded in any book, and only referred to as a massacre by the people of that town.

Your Israeli massacres are 15 people, and I've glanced at the numbers and while there were a few big ones, the media has blown that entirely out of proportion. I'm sorry, but 8 people killed is not a goddamn massacre. And, its not like the Jews just went there going "LAWL, LETS KILL TEH BAD GUYZ." And wiped everyone off the map, more often than not I'm sure some of these 'refugees' had weapons of their own.

Heres the difference between killing out of hate and killing for a reason. The Israeli's were trying to eliminate a threat to their established country, and regardless of whether or not it was rightfully theirs in the first place, its theirs right now. And its under attack. And when that happens, a sophisticated country is going to retaliate, what do you expect them to do? Bend over and take it? No, instead they hunt down the terrorists, and if that means raiding a refugee camp that harbors these guys, then thats what it takes. How do the palestinians retaliate? Walking onto a bus and blowing it up, or walking into a mall and blowing it up, etc. Etc. They won't meet in open war, know why? Because they know if they fought respectable war, they'd get their asses handed to them. The same goes for Al Quaeda.

Yeah, of course Hezbollah is justified. That's what happens when you invade someone's country, you might get shot at.
Zack if you checked the Kind David hotel and the Sabbra and Chattila massacres, you'd see that it wasn't 7 or 8 people. More like 3000 in Sabra and Chattila and 91 people killed in the King David hotel bombing. Sure do love your pompous attitude that it's only a few people being killed, I bet if that happened in the US you wouldn't be so smug about human lives being slaughtered for land. And actually, they did say let go kill some people. If you looked at my quotes from the Talmud, and the fact that Israeli IDF and settlers use it as an excuse to commit these heinous crimes, maybe you'd think otherwise. And the Red Cross verified these refugees were unarmed, they sort of didn't have food, much less any guns.
And Israel giving up the Gaza strip, wow that was mighty white of them, wasn't it? Noticing they CREATED Hamas, funded it to tip the balance against the PLO and it backfired in their faces. Those that wish the killing of innocents, whether Hamas or IDF, are mere swine and will be judged as such in the end.
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Israeli Massacre.
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Israeli Helicopters fire into crowd of unarmed Palestinians.
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Judaism v. Zionism
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Defence for Hezbollah
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Oh? And I suppose all of the civilians who rode the bus in Tel Aviv were armed, hm? Or perhaps the guys at the Munich olympics in, what, 1974, were hiding knives in their big jew glassses, yes? Yes, list the [censored] casualties of the palestinians, but where are the casualties of all the jews blown up by hezbollah? Don't seem to be seeing any numbers here pal. And, Israel took over the land, and the palestianians didn't like it. So they start bomb and fighting, and the ONLY time Israel kills someone, is in retaliation. Hamas blows up a bus, Israeli army buries a bunker buster missile into a hotel in Lebanon. And more often than not, there are terrorist leaders inside those hotels. And all the refugee camps you hear about, how these poor people just want to live. Then they can stop raising their children to fight against the Israeli's, cause complain all you want, Israel is going nowhere. So you might as well just take the Gaza Strip and your parts of the West Bank, and live with it.

Ever seen Munich? I suggest you do. There was one terrorist that was working and pretending to be an average guy in an office, he gets a phone call from the Lebanon telephone company, asking for him to speak on the phone. Once they confirm that it is him, an Apache helicopter flew in, chain guns rolling, and eliminated him. Thats usually how they do it, if they attack something, its because their information has told them someone is there.

Since you seem to be so good at giving scenarios, what if the Native Americans began rising up in the country and blowing [censored] up? Yeah, lets give them their land back. Afterall, they were here before us, lets just turn over the government to them and leave.

Where are the Jews supposed to go if they do fail? Not many choices, they have their own developed country and have advanced and contributed to the world far beyond the reaches of any Palestine. And you haven't answered my question, is Al Quaeda justified in 9/11? How about in Somalia, justified then? What about the madrid train explosions, justified?