Debateful

[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=AD7dnFDdwu0]Watch This Video[/url]. I have to say, this video has outraged me which is why I won't step in and debate it. Currently, I have to question the relevance of this. But, that's beside the point. The big question here is: did the United States ASK to be attacked on 9/11? And what I mean by that is: did we instigate it? Did we deserve it? I say this because Ron Paul is saying that Osama attacked us because we were attacking Iraq. Well, Osama and Saddam never liked each other. So, is that really valid? So, the question is simple: did the United States ASK to be attacked or was it an unfair attack?

Giuliani looked pissed.

He's got one good point, that if any country goes around the world and bombs these terrorist camps, yes eventually the terrorists are going to retaliate. But that only brings up another point, if we don't bomb them, then these little pricks get training and expertise and could end up coming at us anyway. So, why not keep them back at their own 'sands'. He's mistaken though, the terrorists weren't pissed because we attacked Iraq. It is recorded in many books that Bin Laden extended the help of his organization, a sort of amateur military, to defeat the Iraqis when they first threatened Saudi Arabia. He sees the place as a holy land, and should only be defended by holy warriors. His point was that he had defeated the world's mighty Russians, a super power at that time, and that if he defeated Iraq he would gain more heroism and help to his cause.

Saudi Arabia didn't even answer Bin Laden when he requested. Instead, they let U.S. soldiers come in and solve the issue. This pissed Bin Laden off, and thus his hatred of the U.S. began. He didn't side with Saddam Hussein, mostly because Saddam Hussein would kill any terrorists found in his borders. Such organizations threatened his regime, and he would kill them on sight. So, theres his wrong point, that Bid Laden is fighting out of revenge for Iraq.

So what are we supposed to do according to him? Sit down and have a chat with the guys, I can just imagine it now. Larry King talking with Osama Bin Laden, "So, why did you decide to blow us to [censored]?" "Well, you were on my sands!"

Ron Paul does have a point. If we never interfered in any part of the Middle East at all (mostly we did it for the oil) they probably never would of attacked us. I think it all has little to do with Iraq and everything to do with the Palestinian/Israeli Conflict. For some reason, everybody underestimates the importance of this to Muslims. I have seen some Muslim people change their idea 360 degrees on a candidate just because the person openly states that they support the Israel a lot in the war. For all Abrahamic religions, that country is sacred. We help Israel openly because of their large population in the US, yet some people think that a superpower nation or "the world police" should be neutral and not biased. That is, in my opinion, why he really attacked us. Didn't he say himself, that that was the reason, too?

He's a terrorist. He gets off killing innocent people. In my book, that means he's a moron and doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Or just a sick person. Here's how I see it...The Palestinian/Israeli conflict should not even be happening because like you said, they're ALL Abrahamic religions. Judaism is the Father of Christianity and Islam. How do I figure? Jesus was a Jew. Mohammad was the descendant of Ishmael, Abraham's second son. Abraham was a Jew. So...Why does there have to be fighting? Why is it in the 1950s, the Egyptian President said that there needed to be the total decimation of the Jews? Why? But that doesn't mean that we asked for it. Is it because we offer refuge to Jews? Because if that is the case, then I guess I'm to blame because I am a Jew. I don't think it has anything to do with Israel vs. Palestine. I think what it does have to do with is a hatred towards Jews. America accepts Jews. America is bad then. At least, that's the opinion.

JEEEEEWWW JEW JEW JEW JEW JEEEEEEEW.

Personally, I'd prefer to have the JDL and many other jews in my neighborhood than say, the crips or the bloods. Jews, a very peaceful people that I enjoy their company. Why does the world hate them? Well, the world has to hate somebody, and I guess you guys drew the short stick, no?

Second, this isn't about the jews in Israel. This is why did Osama attack the United States. Correct me if I am wrong, but we didn't start bombing Iraq til, what, 2003? Thats not including the conflicts in 1991. And its not because of religion, I highly doubt that. Its because this guy wants the attention all for himself, and when he defeated Russia in their wars in Afghanistan in the seventies, why not defeat another World Power? Think that is happening in Iraq right now, or at least, starting to happen.

But it this way, if you could be remembered for destroying the enemy of a lot of Muslim extremists, and be loved and remembered for all time for it, wouldn't you?

Rudy Giuliani eats terrorists for breakfast.

Wait, who's a moron? Osama bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, the people who attacked us?
Here's my opinion, Ron Paul is right. Why? Because we had troops in Saudi Arabia, we bombed Iraq for 10 years, we invaded Somalia, we give billions of dollars in weapons to Israel, but Ron Paul is saying that the American people did not ask for it, the administration's policies in the Middle East instigated it.

Oh, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is NOT, I repeat, NOT a religious conflict, I'll be making a thread on the ligitimacy of Israel soon.

I also agree that the Palestininan Conflict is not supposed to be a religious conflict, but sadly it is. That is why we are helping Israel, because other Muslim Countries are making this whole thing into a religious problem. Yea, some people might say, oh when the Jews came in, they hardly took any land from people, but look at this link: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=1305">http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=1305</a><!-- m --> . Over time, the Palestininans lost all that land. Now, I'm still saying it's not a religious conflict. In fact, lots of people in Israel who are Jewish have the same ethnic backgrounds as Palestininians. Following the faith of Judaism does not make people's ethnic backgrounds change.
Back to the Ron Paul thing. If we are really the most powerful country and if we really are the "world" police, we should not be taking up sides immediately in conflicts. We interfered in the Middle East and we get our punishment. We interfered in Vietnam and we got our punishment. We are interfering in Iraq and we will be getting a punishment. Only interfere when necessary.

Wait. in your post you say it is and then it isn't a religious conflict, which one is it?
Theodor Hetzel, the founder of Zionism, discussed his idea of a Jewish state with Atheist backers, and there they decided that the Jewish state was not going to be in Uganda, as was originally planned, but in the Palestine Mandate. There, with the help of Adolf Hitler, who at first exported Jews to Palestine, and later killed them towards the end of the war, they stole Palestinian land, plain and simple. Palestinians fighting Israel today are both atheist, Christian and Muslim, which brings down the idea that the conflict is religious. It's ethnic Jewish Zionists trying to take the land of Arabs.

Trying to take the land from Arabs that was stolen from the Jews by the Arabs and the Romans before that. We say that the Jews went in and stole it, but let us look back to who had the land first. Go back before there were any Muslims or Christians and you will find that there were Jews living there. Then, the Romans came in and guess what happened? They conquered Israel. Then the Jews got the land back again, but guess who came in and destroyed the Byzantine Empire? Need I continue going in on who stole the land from who? How many years does a people need to control a land before it is finally believed to be theirs?