Debateful

According to Mortimer Adler when discoursing the nature of justice, believes there are two kinds of people.

The Naturalist who believes that there are natural laws. As written in our Declaration of Independence; "We hold these truths to be self evident..."

Or the Positivist who believes that the laws and beliefs are held based on the culture or society of the people at the time.

What are your thoughts on this? And what would you consider to be a natural law?

I think humans have always had some shared laws that were needed to keep any society together like not murdering your tribesmen or stealing. Don't believe in natural laws per say tho.

The thing though is that even if we say don't kill, and don't steel, we still do it. And we use religion as a weapon to sometimes justify our actions.

Yeah people are always going to do things against the law. If they didn't, there wouldn't any laws to begin with. Human nature, if it wasn't religion being used as the exacuse or reason it would just be something else.