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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/p...index.html

Wow....what a pick ehh?

Quote:She catapulted to the post with a strong reputation as a political outsider, forged during her stint in local politics. She was mayor and a council member of the small town of Wasilla and was chairman of the state Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska's oil and gas resources, in 2003 and 2004.

imho his pick is better than Obama's. Biden in comparison is the "safe" choice and not one of "change".

Palin is obviously on-board with the maverick attitude of McCain.

Quote:Palin made her name in part by backing tough ethical standards for politicians. During the first legislative session after her election, her administration passed a state ethics law overhaul.

Again...wow! What a choice. I am VERY impressed by the McCain/Palin ticket.

This really makes me lean toward McCain when I was really a fence sitter. I know that McCain is more serious about his intent to cleanup Washington. Here is a guy that has spent his LIFE in public service and always serving the people instead of his own interests.

I wonder how many Hillary supporters are gawking at this move to include a female VP. A move imho that Obama should have HEAVILY considered even if it wasn't Hillary.

The drama continues to unfold.

The problem this will create for Obama is one that is bounded by a comparison.

Biden trashed Obama during the primaries and with him now standing side by side with Obama and making nice, people are seeing the hypocrisy. No such problem exists for McCain and Palin.

Sit back, this is going to be a good race! :)

I just read a good article though about how the inexperience of Obama is a key point that McCain uses against Obama. However his running mate...has 2 years Gov experience in the least populated state in the nation and was mayor of a town of 9,000. However I believe her record is still strong.

This is so totally kick [censored] for us debaters.

Sarah Palin was the best pick McCain could have made. I've been a fan of hers for a long time and was elated to hear she was the selection for the GOP VP candidate.

She brings tons to the table. Can't wait for her and Biden to go at it.

Smart choice. I was afraid he was going to pick Romney... No help there. This gal seems to be a spark plug! Now the them of the race will of course, become one of racial and gender politics... I might vote after all.

I didn't think Romney would be a terrible choice. He is charasmatic and professional. He also has a great record of dealing with Dems as well as financial success as a governor. The economy is a weakness for McCain that Romney would have filled. Also Romney is more beloved by the base and would help solidify a conservative position.


However...Palin does imho overall seem like a good choice. Certainly a person with merit and integrity.

In all honesty, I'm scratching my head on this one. The one legit issue they have on Obama that resonates with people, the experience issue, they give away by nominating Palin.

If McCain picks Romney, that would be a very tough ticket for Obama/Biden to beat. I was quite worried about that scenario and I'm happy to see they didn't go that route.

But Palin? IMO, one of the biggest strategy blunders I have ever seen. So she goes after some of Hillary's voters? I don't think she picks off many, especially because it is so transparent that is what they are doing.

dgun Wrote:In all honesty, I'm scratching my head on this one. The one legit issue they have on Obama that resonates with people, the experience issue, they give away by nominating Palin.

Two problems with that.

#1 - It isn't the one legit issue they had on Obama. He has tons of problems and issues (which we won't get into here).

#2 - They didn't give away anything in regards of selecting Palin. Palin has been in elective office longer than Obama and has more executive experience than both Obama and Biden combined.

The experience is a mute argument.

Quote:But Palin? IMO, one of the biggest strategy blunders I have ever seen.

I want you to explain to me what blunder it was? Was it a blunder to select someone who has a track record of fighting corruption even inside her own party?

Was it a blunder to select someone who is a young, fresh-faced talent?

Was it a blunder to select someone who takes no [censored] from anyone and does the right thing regardless of how she will be potrayed?

Was it a blunder to select someone who not only talks the talk but walks the walk (is against abortion and had a baby even though she knew it would be born with DS)?

Was it a blunder to select someone who worked her way up the old fashioned way, using her hands and back (she wasn't born into a wealthy or politically connected family)?

Was it a blunder to select someone who can relate to the average American (fishes, hunts, eats moose burgers, etc...)?

Not sure about your idealologies but she's perfect in my book, regardless of political affiliation.

Quote:So she goes after some of Hillary's voters? I don't think she picks off many, especially because it is so transparent that is what they are doing.

What are they doing? You're assuming she was selected to pick off Hillary's voters. I'll bet you your right nut you can't post a link from McCain's camp indicating that's their intentions. If you can't it's simply another kooky, liberal conspiracy theory.

Has it ever occured to you that she was selected because she's the perfect VP? Noooooooooooooo, surly not.

Quote:It isn't the one legit issue they had on Obama.

Maybe Stoner, but what I said was it was the only legit issue that was working.

Quote:Palin has been in elective office longer than Obama and has more executive experience than both Obama and Biden combined.

She was a mayor of a town of 5,000 people. She has been the Governor of Alaska, a small state population wise, for 2 years.

Seriously Stoner, all political bullshit aside for a moment, you would be comfortable based on her experience to have her as the leader of the free world?

Now, it could very well be that she has the talent, skill, intelligence to be an effective President if McCain bites the dust. But there is no way by any objective measure one can say she has the experience.

And that's the big problem with this from a political strategy point of view. Trying to criticize Obama about experience now will fall on deaf ears in the face of the Palin pick.

You guys can try to spin her as having tons of experience all you want, but I'm telling you it is not going to work.

Barring some disaster by the Obama campaign, McCain has pretty much handed the white house to Obama by choosing Palin. Honestly, it's so huge in my mind I'm wondering if McCain really wants to be elected now.

Quote:You're assuming she was selected to pick off Hillary's voters. I'll bet you your right nut you can't post a link from McCain's camp indicating that's their intentions.

Stoner, she as much said that in her acceptance speech. Her talk about the glass ceiling was a 'shout out' to the Hillary voters and a direct reference to Hillary's recent speeches and comments.