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Religion is probably the single most controversial topic of debate in the world. Though many people are learning to tolerate those of other faiths, those who are nonreligious, I.E. atheists, are often misunderstood. The most religious among us sometimes find the idea of not believing in a god too alien to comprehend.

I was Roman Catholic before I was a teenager, at which point I started to question my faith. My family is still strictly religious, and is angry that I have "abandoned the faith". The truth is that I don't really know if there is a god. And even if there was, I'd still rather go my own way than submit to it.

I'm Canadian, but I hear a lot about some ugly religious fundamentalism in the United States.

One very common argument I've heard is that good is impossible without God, because people would be less likely to exercise moral restraint if they didn't believe there would be divine retribution for wrongdoing.

Atheists find it very unlikely that a God exists. Many of us strive to be "good" people for personal reasons. Rather than being moral simply because we fear retribution if we are not, we draw the strength to do the right thing from ourselves alone. An Atheist is accountable to nobody but him/herself and may do as he/she wishes. Which is precisely the reason we try all the harder to rise above base, selfish human nature and be more than we are. To fall prey to selfish urges would be, in our eyes, a sign of weakness of character. Atheists follow no written code of conduct, but develop their own personal sense of honour and code of ethics. We would rather ask questions, make mistakes and learn from them than blindly follow someone else's rules. Being for us is becoming. We can't blame a devil for our transgressions, and we can't shrug off failures. We don't pray for help, we help ourselves. When we screw up, we get up again, brush ourselves off, and try harder. What makes many of us aspire to be "good" people is the knowledge that we only live once. We are therefore driven to live well, and avoid causing others unwarranted pain on their journeys through life. When we help others in need, we do so out of compassion for them and not out of fear of punishment for neglect.

A man can have all his material posessions, his family and even his life itself taken from him, but nothing can ever take away his identity and pride. We want to be proud of who we are. We want to be strong and altruistic because it is too easy to be weak and selfish. We want to enrich the lives of those around us.

All this so that when the end comes, and knowing there will be no life after death, we can look back and say "I lived well. I was strong where others were weak. I was a steadfast friend and/or a caring lover and/or a good father/mother. I did it my way, and I made it on my own steam. I have made at least one other life better because I lived."

After all, if a god did exist and this god would condemn us for the trivial crimes of refusing to follow and refusing to worship, then that god would be a tyrant. I'd rather burn in hell.
In order for there to be justice, there must be punishment for evil.

Also, no matter how much a human tries to do good, it is impossible to do good every minute, every day, every week, etc? And I hear it's exhausting and guilt-ridden.
(Jun. 19, 2009 10:33 AM)Coyote Wrote: [ -> ]One very common argument I've heard is that good is impossible without God, because people would be less likely to exercise moral restraint if they didn't believe there would be divine retribution for wrongdoing.
I've heard that as well, and I find it somewhat disturbing that some people only refrain from doing evil things because they fear some punishment from God. Rather disgusting, really.
Well said.
Generally a good article and most useful to theists who tend to lump "non-believers" together. I disagree that atheism is a "lack of belief." Atheists, such as my wife, strongly believe that there is no supreme being and recognize that they have no more proof of that than theists do of the opposite. As a militant atheist myself ("I don't know and you don't either!"), I see both atheists and theists as people who choose to believe something unknowable is true. Agnosticism is all about "knowing;" believing comes later. Give me enough testable evidence and I'll have knowledge. Give me sufficient knowledge and I might start to believe.
"some people only refrain from doing evil things
because they fear some punishment from God Rather disgusting, really."

Ok, (mr. smartie pants) so tell us .. why do YOU refrain from doing ( stupid ) evil things ??
do you fear getting caught and going to jail ??
do you fear your family finding out .. and deeming you as an immoral fleshy idiot ??
(now as a Christian) I refrain from ( stupid ) evil things ( not excluding the above )
no. 1 because I realize these 'things' are ( stupid and ) evil . . . and my motivation toward love .. therefore I refrain . . .
no. 2 I understand that God loves me ( and he directs me toward a better way ) . . . If a Christian fears punishment from God .. His/her perspective is skewed and therefore needs to be corrected .. any punishment I deserve has been placed on Jesus Christ and judged and punished ( past tense ) . . . as Paul states in God's word . . . all things are permissable, but not all things are profitable . . . Thank God I can live free of any fear .. and can live a life of praise and thanksgiving


Atheists, such as my wife,
strongly believe that there is no supreme being and recognize
that they have no more proof of that than theists do of the opposite.

Oh, I think there is plenty of proof that God does exist ( simple deductive reasoning ) ..
but I agree with you that Atheism is not: 'lack of belief' .. but strong belief ( in a lie )
which btw requires MUCH MUCH MORE faith than the believer does . . .
( Atheism: tiz a religion indeed ) so sad it leads to such a dead end ..
very depressing ( pass the antidepressants ?? ) . . . really
The belief that a paternalistic God exists to punish us for sins committed does not take into account the choice for a private self-enforced ethic. A responsible atheist needs to subscribe to a godless but nonetheless considered moral code, with which to guide their actions.
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