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I did. Judge not. You can't accept the fact that I prefer to love my neighbor rather than judge and condemn them.
If I have to judge everybody I meet, what good is meeting people? Sounds like a total bore and waste of valuable time and energy to me.
Someone - and I forget which preacher - said this: "When you die and go to Heaven, you won't be surprised at who is there. You will be surprised by who ISN'T there."
Interesting thought, isn't it?
Purrs,
Pookie

(Dec. 17, 2009 12:42 PM)Pookie Wrote: [ -> ]I did. Judge not. You can't accept the fact that I prefer to love my neighbor rather than judge and condemn them.
If I have to judge everybody I meet, what good is meeting people? Sounds like a total bore and waste of valuable time and energy to me.
Someone - and I forget which preacher - said this: "When you die and go to Heaven, you won't be surprised at who is there. You will be surprised by who ISN'T there."
Interesting thought, isn't it?
Purrs,
Pookie

I showed that you were twisting that scripture already and that we are to judge, but we are to make RIGHTEOUS judgements.

The scriptures were given to us as a guide, not another tome to be stepped on and ignored by men.

Your "judge not" leaves out the second half of the verse you twisted and changes it's meaning.

(Dec. 17, 2009 09:15 AM)BoogyMan Wrote: [ -> ]God wrote the Bible through the inspiration of men. How exactly is society going to be barbaric if people follow the teachings of the New Testament?

Inspiration, perhaps. That doesn't mean they got it all correct. If people back then could be inspired and carry the word of God onto paper, who's to say people can't tap into this divine inspiration today? That's just what I believe. I believe everyone has a direct connection to God, and they don't need anyone telling them what they should believe or how to believe it.

As for the New Testament, I honestly don't know whether all of the examples in my head are from the Old or New Testament. I assume most of what I'm thinking of is from Leviticus. But if the Old Testament was written by people who were inspired by God as the New Testament was like you claim, how can anything they ever said be wrong?

(Dec. 17, 2009 03:03 PM)BoogyMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 17, 2009 12:42 PM)Pookie Wrote: [ -> ]I did. Judge not. You can't accept the fact that I prefer to love my neighbor rather than judge and condemn them.
If I have to judge everybody I meet, what good is meeting people? Sounds like a total bore and waste of valuable time and energy to me.
Someone - and I forget which preacher - said this: "When you die and go to Heaven, you won't be surprised at who is there. You will be surprised by who ISN'T there."
Interesting thought, isn't it?
Purrs,
Pookie

I showed that you were twisting that scripture already and that we are to judge, but we are to make RIGHTEOUS judgements.

The scriptures were given to us as a guide, not another tome to be stepped on and ignored by men.

Your "judge not" leaves out the second half of the verse you twisted and changes it's meaning.

I didn't twist anything. Even my pastor agrees we should not judge and we should love unconditionally. If folks stray, we should continue to love them and pray for them. We all have free agency to do what we will.
It is simply not up to mere mortals to judge on whether people will or not go to hell. We are imperfect and mortal, full of sin.

I feel secure enough in my beliefs that no one scares me, much less those who follow their hearts.
I do not carry around the baggage of having to judge everyone, and for that, again, why spend so much time and energy judging people (when we ourselves are not perfect) when we could leave that to God and love them?
You are a sinner, Boogy, just like me. Don't judge me. Do not judge others. Only He who is without sin may judge. Do not say you are not a sinner. None of us is perfect, and until I see you hung up on a cross I will not believe you have any power to judge anyone.
Purrs,
Pookie

(Dec. 17, 2009 05:51 PM)Pookie Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't twist anything. Even my pastor agrees we should not judge and we should love unconditionally.

Yeah, dear lady, you certainly did. The verse you mangled is instruction to judge by a standard in which you also wish to be judged, not to simply avoid making judgments. It also points out that before you make a judgement as to the error of your brother, you should make sure you are not ignoring sin in your own life.

You mangled that verse by ignoring the part that clarifies the fact that you ARE to judge, and the clarifying verse in John 7:24 points this out. We are to judge with "righteous judgement."

Pook Wrote:If folks stray, we should continue to love them and pray for them. We all have free agency to do what we will.

You don't have free agency to act outside of the instruction with regard to the erring that is provided in the Bible.

Pook Wrote:It is simply not up to mere mortals to judge on whether people will or not go to hell. We are imperfect and mortal, full of sin.

John 7:24 says (again) "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

You certainly are to make judgments about sin, but once again, they are to be righteous judgements. You don't get to make this up along.

Pook Wrote:I feel secure enough in my beliefs that no one scares me, much less those who follow their hearts.

Who cares about scaring anyone, that is your own imagination adding a dimension to this discussion that isn't there.

Pook Wrote:I do not carry around the baggage of having to judge everyone, and for that, again, why spend so much time and energy judging people (when we ourselves are not perfect) when we could leave that to God and love them?

You certainly don't love the person whose sin you ignore, that is for sure. When you refuse to follow God's instruction and make the judgments required to point out sin and try to bring the sinner back into accord with the will of God you reject God's instruction to do so and condemn yourself right along with them.

Pook Wrote:You are a sinner, Boogy, just like me. Don't judge me. Do not judge others. Only He who is without sin may judge. Do not say you are not a sinner. None of us is perfect, and until I see you hung up on a cross I will not believe you have any power to judge anyone.
Purrs,
Pookie

Who said anything about me not being a sinner? That is another imaginary point you are adding into the discussion. The fact is that as Romans 3:23 says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." This is fact. The difference is that when I sin I deal with it and get past it. When a brother sins I go to that brother to help him deal with it and get past it. If I am not to make judgments I will simply allow that brother to die spiritually in his sins and I would show a hatred rather than love for him.

YOU are the person here supporting a false doctrine that destroys the souls of men, not me. I will make the required judgments to help bring a brother back to Christ, I will not abandon him as your "don't make judgments" piffle does.

You twisted and mangled Matthew 7 and you ignored John 7.

Judge me all you will, honey. You miss out on such beautiful gifts from God when you preoccupy yourself with being so heavily judgemental. I guess you're somehow happy with thinking you are in a position to judge me, so I will let you do what you will and continue to care for you and your well-being.
Judgement Day will settle this debate. If you truly think I am going to let some guy I run into on the Internet change my religion, you are out of your tree. Judge all you wish, and have fun.
I'd rather listen to my pastor and follow the teachings of my parents.
Purrs,
Pookie

(Dec. 17, 2009 09:28 PM)Pookie Wrote: [ -> ]Judge me all you will, honey. You miss out on such beautiful gifts from God when you preoccupy yourself with being so heavily judgemental. I guess you're somehow happy with thinking you are in a position to judge me, so I will let you do what you will and continue to care for you and your well-being.
Judgement Day will settle this debate. If you truly think I am going to let some guy I run into on the Internet change my religion, you are out of your tree. Judge all you wish, and have fun.
I'd rather listen to my pastor and follow the teachings of my parents.
Purrs,
Pookie

Well, at least you are honest and point out that you follow the teachings of men and not God.

2 Tim 4:3-4 Wrote:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

So you think. Have at it, Boogy, have at it. I see you cannot tolerate nor forgive. I am sorry for you. It must be an awfully lonely existence having to judge everyone, even everyone you meet on the Internet.
How do you have time to make a living or have time for your family? This must be an overwhelming job for you.
Purrs,
Pookie

Where in the verses I showed you goes it give any room for "tolerance" of views not there?

Where do you get this "cannot forgive" idiocy from what I have posted about showing a brother he is in sin in order to help him get past it?

You really should read the posts you reply to and you won't appear so foolish when it is shown that you DIDN'T read them.

I read them. That's why I ask this: You spend your time judging people on the Internet and judging all those you meet -- how do you have time to make a living and pay attention to your family?
I don't have time for judging. I spend my time appreciating people, working my butt off, and having (oh, dear!!) probably too much "together time" with hubby and pets.
And you?
Hmmmm.
You must have a lot of time on your hands, and it must be nice.
Purrs,
Pookie