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Yeah, suicide is a pretty extreme example. And it goes back to the social contract of John Locke. But still, the government has to realize that they work for us.

Archer Wrote:
Yeah, suicide is a pretty extreme example. And it goes back to the social contract of John Locke. But still, the government has to realize that they work for us.


For the reason that they work for us, we do have to comply to their rules. Absolute freedom? I don't really see that going around too much.

Still, I'd rather fight against injustice and die than be subjugated.

Archer Wrote:
Still, I'd rather fight against injustice and die than be subjugated.


I wouldn't necessarily say that we have no freedom because obviously, we still have a lot of freedom. A lot of people who came here are content with their lives because they feel more protected. Some feel that America has prevented numerous perilous events that would be disastrous. Do some of them care that some freedom was taken away from them? Not really, because as long as they're protected, they're happy. Obviously, there has to be a stop to where the government can take away our freedom but as long as it's prevented at a certain line, and that it's proven to protect us, then people are inclined to willfully give away their freedom in exchange for the protection of themselves, their families, and the nation they reside in.

That's the thing. We do still have rights. We have a lot of rights. But in the last few years, we've lost a lot, too. And that is what I fear. I fear that since it comes gradually, that soon we might come to the point where we don't recognize the country that we used to live in anymore.

Archer Wrote:
That's the thing. We do still have rights. We have a lot of rights. But in the last few years, we've lost a lot, too. And that is what I fear. I fear that since it comes gradually, that soon we might come to the point where we don't recognize the country that we used to live in anymore.


You're implying that the country should stay the way it currently is? The government shouldn't take away anymore freedom and have it remain the same? What if new terror arises that will require protection to prevent an abundant amount of chaos? What will happen then?

Like I said, attacks will happen in the future. One way or another. There was a school shooting the other day in Ohio. Some would consider that a terrorist attack. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. No matter what the government does, it won't stop attacks from happening. So like I said, I'd rather die as a free man than a political slave.

Archer Wrote:
Like I said, attacks will happen in the future. One way or another. There was a school shooting the other day in Ohio. Some would consider that a terrorist attack. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. No matter what the government does, it won't stop attacks from happening. So like I said, I'd rather die as a free man than a political slave.


Due to the attacks that has already happened, do you think the government should attempt to do something so that it could be prevented next time, or do you believe that we should just close our ears and eyes hoping that it wouldn't happen again? I acknowledge the fact that every single day, atrocious events takes place. Are we going to continue to allow this to happen? We need protection and we need to evolve so that something horrible could be prevented.

Evidently, people like yourself desire freedom and don't want government to take away any further freedom from us. Sure, I see where you're coming from but honestly, to have a sense of protection is reassurance. I'm just implying that we just shouldn't allow the government to control us completely, so we must keep a very close eye on them.

People tell me that we just might be use to it and the government may control us entirely if we continue to allow our freedom to disperse into their hands. It might come gradually and we won't even know what hit us. However, I'm definitely confident that there are intelligent minds in this world that will know when it's enough.

Who knows...you might be one of them.

John Wrote:
However, I'm definitely confident that there are intelligent minds in this world that will know when it's enough.


Why do you think we're debating this right now? Because it's happening.

Archer Wrote:
Like I said, attacks will happen in the future. One way or another. There was a school shooting the other day in Ohio. Some would consider that a terrorist attack. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. No matter what the government does, it won't stop attacks from happening. So like I said, I'd rather die as a free man than a political slave.

This is absolutely my opinion, it doesn't matter how safe you make America, if you damage liberty and the freedom of mankind, it can be irreplaceable.

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