http://www.debateful.com/ Sun, 11 May 2008 21:22:31 -0700 MyBB http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=274 Thu, 08 May 2008 07:46:18 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=274 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=273 Wed, 07 May 2008 07:10:44 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=273
The best she can "hope" for now is bus fare "change" from prophet Obama. :nana:]]>
The best she can "hope" for now is bus fare "change" from prophet Obama. :nana:]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=272 Tue, 06 May 2008 13:43:09 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=272 I am a sahm of 3 teenaged boys and 3 cat boys. I am typically conservative in my views but I do allow for limited liberal views as well. BUT........ be forewarned I despise political correctness and all it's shallow virtue.

How about this 2008 election eh? It is mindboggling, scary and humorous all rolled into one. It sure makes for interesting debate doesn't it?

Anyway, looking forward to debating with you good people. Happy to be here. :clapper:

PS Please bear with me as I am a novice puter user. Thanks!]]> I am a sahm of 3 teenaged boys and 3 cat boys. I am typically conservative in my views but I do allow for limited liberal views as well. BUT........ be forewarned I despise political correctness and all it's shallow virtue.

How about this 2008 election eh? It is mindboggling, scary and humorous all rolled into one. It sure makes for interesting debate doesn't it?

Anyway, looking forward to debating with you good people. Happy to be here. :clapper:

PS Please bear with me as I am a novice puter user. Thanks!]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=271 Thu, 01 May 2008 19:20:46 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=271
As for the interview..who else watched it? It was pretty good. She seemed ready to take a stand on a lot of issues.



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As for the interview..who else watched it? It was pretty good. She seemed ready to take a stand on a lot of issues.



]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=270 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:35:48 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=270 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=269 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:37:56 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=269 As a Independent I feel we are not getting Media attention we need to let the people in the United States know there is another choice for President in 2008]]> As a Independent I feel we are not getting Media attention we need to let the people in the United States know there is another choice for President in 2008]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=268 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:34:53 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=268 As a Independent I feel we are not getting Media attention we need to let the people in the United States know there is another choice for President in 2008]]> As a Independent I feel we are not getting Media attention we need to let the people in the United States know there is another choice for President in 2008]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=267 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:59:14 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=267 I enjoy a good argument, so I thought i might find a few in here. I am a sahm of 6 and live in the delightful country of New Zealand. Best damn country in the world:clapper:
Thats the small blip next to australia, incase you dont know where it is.:evil:
Expect me in here, making my thoughts known, on a regular basis.
Cheers, from me,
Kermit
downunder:thumbsup:]]> I enjoy a good argument, so I thought i might find a few in here. I am a sahm of 6 and live in the delightful country of New Zealand. Best damn country in the world:clapper:
Thats the small blip next to australia, incase you dont know where it is.:evil:
Expect me in here, making my thoughts known, on a regular basis.
Cheers, from me,
Kermit
downunder:thumbsup:]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=266 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:28:56 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=266
As for my political views, I'm an independent. While some of my beliefs may match one party as opposed to another, they're just what I feel is right, and nothing more.

I look forward to meeting all of you, and maybe running into some familiar posters from DF. =)


Take care,
- Tristan]]>
As for my political views, I'm an independent. While some of my beliefs may match one party as opposed to another, they're just what I feel is right, and nothing more.

I look forward to meeting all of you, and maybe running into some familiar posters from DF. =)


Take care,
- Tristan]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=265 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:11:13 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=265 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=264 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:57:25 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=264
Im quite tired of hearing everyone bash the bush administration for "terrrible and murderous decisions in iraq". Honestly i feel that we have plenty of good reasons to be at war with iraq that far surpasses oil and terrorism...we used to be the country who single handedly had the most powerful and feared army in the world. But lately many have seen us a no more than a rag-tag militia with the capabilitie of a third-world country (al-qaeda). So when 9/11 happened some sort of action had to be taken towards the defense of our nation. So we went to war at the beginning morale was high and everyone supported the idea..but as time went on the morale dwindled and many doubted not knowing that the implication taking place would take a while to take effect and fully eliminate al-qaeda and bring iraq its freedom. soon people became impatient and began the idea we needed to pull out of iraq but even though our idea of success in iraq wasnt fully reached all is not lost, if we do pull out than the example we would be setting for other countries would be
that the once most powerful and feared nation cannot take down a simple terroist group. Lives will be lost but that happens as in any war our casulties are under 5k and thats unacceptable? hmm I dont see how this war is a wasted expense ..
what are your views?

-TrueGenius]]>
Im quite tired of hearing everyone bash the bush administration for "terrrible and murderous decisions in iraq". Honestly i feel that we have plenty of good reasons to be at war with iraq that far surpasses oil and terrorism...we used to be the country who single handedly had the most powerful and feared army in the world. But lately many have seen us a no more than a rag-tag militia with the capabilitie of a third-world country (al-qaeda). So when 9/11 happened some sort of action had to be taken towards the defense of our nation. So we went to war at the beginning morale was high and everyone supported the idea..but as time went on the morale dwindled and many doubted not knowing that the implication taking place would take a while to take effect and fully eliminate al-qaeda and bring iraq its freedom. soon people became impatient and began the idea we needed to pull out of iraq but even though our idea of success in iraq wasnt fully reached all is not lost, if we do pull out than the example we would be setting for other countries would be
that the once most powerful and feared nation cannot take down a simple terroist group. Lives will be lost but that happens as in any war our casulties are under 5k and thats unacceptable? hmm I dont see how this war is a wasted expense ..
what are your views?

-TrueGenius]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=263 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:41:34 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=263
TrueGenius]]>
TrueGenius]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=262 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:29:44 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=262
May not be on much, but I figured one more account, on one more site, with one more unique password, shouldn't be all to hard to remember.]]>
May not be on much, but I figured one more account, on one more site, with one more unique password, shouldn't be all to hard to remember.]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=261 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:39:32 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=261

Quote:A Christian group is suing Google over the internet giant's refusal to take its anti-abortion adverts.


The Christian Institute, a "non-denominational Christian charity", wanted to pay Google so that whenever the word "abortion" was typed into the popular search engine, its link would appear on the side of the screen.

The link would have read: "UK abortion law - news and views on abortion from the Christian Institute. http://www.christian.org.uk."

But Google refused the advert because it said it had a policy of declining sites which mixed the issue of abortion with religious views.

Its Dublin-based advertising team replied: "At this time, Google policy does not permit the advertisement of websites that contain 'abortion and religion-related content'."

Google does, however, accept adverts for abortion clinics, secular pro-abortion sites and secularist sites which attack religion.

The Christian Institute has now started legal proceedings against Google on the grounds that it is infringing the Equality Act 2006 by discriminating against Christian groups.

It is seeking damages, costs and the permission to publish its advertisement.

Mike Judge, Christian Institute spokesman, said: "For many people, Google is the doorway to the internet.

"If there is to be a free exchange of ideas then Google cannot give special free speech rights to secular groups whilst censoring religious views.

"To say that religious sites with material on abortion are 'unacceptable content' (while) advertising pornography is ridiculous."

The group was supported by the Christian former Tory minister Ann Widdecombe, who said: "It does seem to me to be the most appalling and blatant case of religious discrimination and also to be a very silly attempt to stifle due debate."

The institute sought to promote its online articles on abortion ahead of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill arriving in the House of Commons next month.

The Bill will provide the first opportunities in 18 years for MPs to vote on the upper time limit for abortions: currently 24 weeks.


This kind of crap really pisses me off. Google like many companies are fine with anti-religious and immoral material but throw in some Christianity and BINGO...censored.]]>

Quote:A Christian group is suing Google over the internet giant's refusal to take its anti-abortion adverts.


The Christian Institute, a "non-denominational Christian charity", wanted to pay Google so that whenever the word "abortion" was typed into the popular search engine, its link would appear on the side of the screen.

The link would have read: "UK abortion law - news and views on abortion from the Christian Institute. http://www.christian.org.uk."

But Google refused the advert because it said it had a policy of declining sites which mixed the issue of abortion with religious views.

Its Dublin-based advertising team replied: "At this time, Google policy does not permit the advertisement of websites that contain 'abortion and religion-related content'."

Google does, however, accept adverts for abortion clinics, secular pro-abortion sites and secularist sites which attack religion.

The Christian Institute has now started legal proceedings against Google on the grounds that it is infringing the Equality Act 2006 by discriminating against Christian groups.

It is seeking damages, costs and the permission to publish its advertisement.

Mike Judge, Christian Institute spokesman, said: "For many people, Google is the doorway to the internet.

"If there is to be a free exchange of ideas then Google cannot give special free speech rights to secular groups whilst censoring religious views.

"To say that religious sites with material on abortion are 'unacceptable content' (while) advertising pornography is ridiculous."

The group was supported by the Christian former Tory minister Ann Widdecombe, who said: "It does seem to me to be the most appalling and blatant case of religious discrimination and also to be a very silly attempt to stifle due debate."

The institute sought to promote its online articles on abortion ahead of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill arriving in the House of Commons next month.

The Bill will provide the first opportunities in 18 years for MPs to vote on the upper time limit for abortions: currently 24 weeks.


This kind of crap really pisses me off. Google like many companies are fine with anti-religious and immoral material but throw in some Christianity and BINGO...censored.]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=260 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:28:38 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=260
We often here conservatives accusing liberals of being socialists. But what does it mean? Is it really synonymous with the left? Or is it more then that?

Well, Wikipedia says “Socialism refers to the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community”

Now, what does that mean? It means that in a Socialist society, the wealth of the nation is redistributed, or spread out, by the community. Pretty simple.

Now, let’s look at what liberalism is. Again, Wikipedia:
“Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.”

And, because it will come up later, let’s look at what Conservatism is. Wikipedia:
“Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favor tradition and gradual change, where tradition refers to religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs.”

In other words, it’s the idea of looking to the well being of the peoples freedom. Again, simple concept.

Let’s compare the two.
Personal freedom.
Redistribute wealth.

Huh. Is it just me, or are those two at odds? Redistributing wealth would hurt personal freedom, wouldn’t it? It would be taking economic freedom away.

Okay then, let’s take a closer look at socialism

Socialism is a political system. Like Democracy, a Republic, a Monarchy, or any other kind. Like the different types of political systems, it has its variations. Communism, National Socialists, etc. Not all Socialist governments are leftist. National Socialism, one of the more famous examples being the Nazis. Now, looking at what we know about Nazis, they wanted to promote what they saw as their old traditions, and get rid of those that did not conform, we see a correlation with Conservatism. That correlation is the strong belief in tradition. This would dispel the myth that all Socialism is the same as Liberalism.

“What about the fact that all liberals are socialists” That too is untrue. Not all liberals want to redistribute the wealth. If it was that way, wouldn’t all rich liberals be giving away their wealth? Since they don’t, that would be proof that not all liberals are socialists.
So, in conclusion: Because not all socialist governments are liberal governments, saying that all socialists are liberals is inaccurate. Because, obviously, not all liberals are socialists, calling all liberals socialists is silly.
Not all liberals are socialists, not all socialists, and the same is true for conservatives and socialists. Socialism is a system that can encompass both the left and right.

I hope I have dispelled some myths about socialism and liberalism and conservatism. Thank you for your time.
-Saigio

Sources
Liberalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Conservatism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism
Socialism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism]]>
We often here conservatives accusing liberals of being socialists. But what does it mean? Is it really synonymous with the left? Or is it more then that?

Well, Wikipedia says “Socialism refers to the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community”

Now, what does that mean? It means that in a Socialist society, the wealth of the nation is redistributed, or spread out, by the community. Pretty simple.

Now, let’s look at what liberalism is. Again, Wikipedia:
“Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.”

And, because it will come up later, let’s look at what Conservatism is. Wikipedia:
“Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favor tradition and gradual change, where tradition refers to religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs.”

In other words, it’s the idea of looking to the well being of the peoples freedom. Again, simple concept.

Let’s compare the two.
Personal freedom.
Redistribute wealth.

Huh. Is it just me, or are those two at odds? Redistributing wealth would hurt personal freedom, wouldn’t it? It would be taking economic freedom away.

Okay then, let’s take a closer look at socialism

Socialism is a political system. Like Democracy, a Republic, a Monarchy, or any other kind. Like the different types of political systems, it has its variations. Communism, National Socialists, etc. Not all Socialist governments are leftist. National Socialism, one of the more famous examples being the Nazis. Now, looking at what we know about Nazis, they wanted to promote what they saw as their old traditions, and get rid of those that did not conform, we see a correlation with Conservatism. That correlation is the strong belief in tradition. This would dispel the myth that all Socialism is the same as Liberalism.

“What about the fact that all liberals are socialists” That too is untrue. Not all liberals want to redistribute the wealth. If it was that way, wouldn’t all rich liberals be giving away their wealth? Since they don’t, that would be proof that not all liberals are socialists.
So, in conclusion: Because not all socialist governments are liberal governments, saying that all socialists are liberals is inaccurate. Because, obviously, not all liberals are socialists, calling all liberals socialists is silly.
Not all liberals are socialists, not all socialists, and the same is true for conservatives and socialists. Socialism is a system that can encompass both the left and right.

I hope I have dispelled some myths about socialism and liberalism and conservatism. Thank you for your time.
-Saigio

Sources
Liberalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Conservatism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism
Socialism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=259 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:45:15 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=259

AP via Yahoo News Wrote:Source: Link

ELDORADO, Texas - Authorities who removed 219 women and children from a polygamist compound were struggling Sunday to determine whether they had the 16-year-old girl whose report of an underage marriage led them to raid the sprawling rural property.

Many people at the compound, built by followers of jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs, are related to one another and share similar names; investigators said in some case they were giving different names at different times.

Investigators on Sunday bused them out of Eldorado, nearly 200 miles northwest of San Antonio, as other law enforcement agents continued to search for more children and evidence at the 1,700-acre compound, the former site of an exotic game ranch.

State troopers armed with a search warrant raided the compound on Friday to look for evidence of a marriage between the girl, who allegedly had a baby at 15, and a 50-year-old man. Under Texas law, girls younger than 16 cannot marry, even with parental approval.

The women and children were taken out of the compound Friday and Saturday and had been staying in a local church and civic center.

By midday Sunday, dozens of women and children, mostly girls, were seen boarding buses on their way to San Angelo, a larger town 45 miles away. The women wore long pastel dresses and many carried bedding; several had infants.

Officers entered the temple on the grounds late Saturday, but by Sunday they still had not located the 16-year-old whose initial report of abuse led to the raid.

"There were some tense moments last night, but everything has remained calm and peaceful and they are continuing their search," Allison Palmer, a prosecutor from a nearby county handling the case, said early Sunday.

Marleigh Meisner, a spokeswoman for Child Protective Services, said investigators were still trying to determine whether the girl who called authorities last week was among the people, including 159 children, removed from the compound.

Meisner said the adults were cooperating with investigators, and that she didn't believe any had been forced to leave the compound.

Investigators also were looking for the man the girl allegedly married, Dale Barlow. Palmer said other law enforcement agencies "know where (Barlow) is and have talked to him, but our investigators have not."

Barlow's probation officer told The Salt Lake Tribune that he was in Arizona.

"He said the authorities had called him (in Colorado City, Ariz.) and some girl had accused him of assaulting her and he didn't even know who she was," said Bill Loader, a probation officer in Arizona.

A call to Loader by The Associated Press was not immediately returned Sunday.

Palmer said Texas authorities have been in contact with those in Arizona but have not yet talked to Barlow. No arrests have been made.

Barlow was sentenced to jail last year after pleading no contest to conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor. He was ordered to register as a sex offender for three years while he is on probation.

The search warrant instructed officers to look for marriage records or other evidence linking her to the man and the baby. The warrant authorized the seizure of computer drives, CDs, DVDs or photos.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, headed by Jeffs after his father's death in 2002, broke away from the Mormon church after the latter disavowed polygamy more than a century ago.

The compound sits down a narrow paved road and behind a hill that shields it almost entirely from view in town. Only the 80-foot-high white temple can be seen on the horizon. Authorities kept onlookers miles away from the compound.

A caravan of K-9 unit vehicles were seen headed down the road to the compound on Sunday morning. Palmer said she couldn't say whether authorities had entered all of the compound's many buildings but called it "a detailed search."

Eldorado is a town of fewer than 2,000 people, home to a few government buildings, a couple of churches and a few blocks of houses. It's surrounded by wind-swept plains where sheep are raised.

State officials said they did not know how many people lived at the retreat.

Jeffs is jailed in Kingman, Ariz., where he awaits trial for four counts each of incest and sexual conduct with a minor stemming from two arranged marriages between teenage girls and their older male relatives.

In November, he was sentenced to two consecutive sentences of five years to life in prison in Utah for being an accomplice to the rape of a 14-year-old girl who wed her cousin in an arranged marriage in 2001.

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AP via Yahoo News Wrote:Source: Link

ELDORADO, Texas - Authorities who removed 219 women and children from a polygamist compound were struggling Sunday to determine whether they had the 16-year-old girl whose report of an underage marriage led them to raid the sprawling rural property.

Many people at the compound, built by followers of jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs, are related to one another and share similar names; investigators said in some case they were giving different names at different times.

Investigators on Sunday bused them out of Eldorado, nearly 200 miles northwest of San Antonio, as other law enforcement agents continued to search for more children and evidence at the 1,700-acre compound, the former site of an exotic game ranch.

State troopers armed with a search warrant raided the compound on Friday to look for evidence of a marriage between the girl, who allegedly had a baby at 15, and a 50-year-old man. Under Texas law, girls younger than 16 cannot marry, even with parental approval.

The women and children were taken out of the compound Friday and Saturday and had been staying in a local church and civic center.

By midday Sunday, dozens of women and children, mostly girls, were seen boarding buses on their way to San Angelo, a larger town 45 miles away. The women wore long pastel dresses and many carried bedding; several had infants.

Officers entered the temple on the grounds late Saturday, but by Sunday they still had not located the 16-year-old whose initial report of abuse led to the raid.

"There were some tense moments last night, but everything has remained calm and peaceful and they are continuing their search," Allison Palmer, a prosecutor from a nearby county handling the case, said early Sunday.

Marleigh Meisner, a spokeswoman for Child Protective Services, said investigators were still trying to determine whether the girl who called authorities last week was among the people, including 159 children, removed from the compound.

Meisner said the adults were cooperating with investigators, and that she didn't believe any had been forced to leave the compound.

Investigators also were looking for the man the girl allegedly married, Dale Barlow. Palmer said other law enforcement agencies "know where (Barlow) is and have talked to him, but our investigators have not."

Barlow's probation officer told The Salt Lake Tribune that he was in Arizona.

"He said the authorities had called him (in Colorado City, Ariz.) and some girl had accused him of assaulting her and he didn't even know who she was," said Bill Loader, a probation officer in Arizona.

A call to Loader by The Associated Press was not immediately returned Sunday.

Palmer said Texas authorities have been in contact with those in Arizona but have not yet talked to Barlow. No arrests have been made.

Barlow was sentenced to jail last year after pleading no contest to conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor. He was ordered to register as a sex offender for three years while he is on probation.

The search warrant instructed officers to look for marriage records or other evidence linking her to the man and the baby. The warrant authorized the seizure of computer drives, CDs, DVDs or photos.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, headed by Jeffs after his father's death in 2002, broke away from the Mormon church after the latter disavowed polygamy more than a century ago.

The compound sits down a narrow paved road and behind a hill that shields it almost entirely from view in town. Only the 80-foot-high white temple can be seen on the horizon. Authorities kept onlookers miles away from the compound.

A caravan of K-9 unit vehicles were seen headed down the road to the compound on Sunday morning. Palmer said she couldn't say whether authorities had entered all of the compound's many buildings but called it "a detailed search."

Eldorado is a town of fewer than 2,000 people, home to a few government buildings, a couple of churches and a few blocks of houses. It's surrounded by wind-swept plains where sheep are raised.

State officials said they did not know how many people lived at the retreat.

Jeffs is jailed in Kingman, Ariz., where he awaits trial for four counts each of incest and sexual conduct with a minor stemming from two arranged marriages between teenage girls and their older male relatives.

In November, he was sentenced to two consecutive sentences of five years to life in prison in Utah for being an accomplice to the rape of a 14-year-old girl who wed her cousin in an arranged marriage in 2001.

]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=258 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:41:45 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=258
I plan to make the last few payments on my son's braces. I guess I am stimulating the checkbook of my family orthodontist.]]>
I plan to make the last few payments on my son's braces. I guess I am stimulating the checkbook of my family orthodontist.]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=257 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:29:14 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=257 I'm NortheastCynic. I'm a college student in Boston majoring in political science. I'm 20, a libertarian and a sarcastic prick.

Enjoy me.

-NC]]> I'm NortheastCynic. I'm a college student in Boston majoring in political science. I'm 20, a libertarian and a sarcastic prick.

Enjoy me.

-NC]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=256 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:02:03 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=256
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/0...8145.shtml


Quote:(AP) A group of third-graders plotted to attack their teacher, bringing a broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape and other items for the job and assigning children tasks including covering the windows and cleaning up afterward, police said Tuesday.

The plot involving as many as nine boys and girls at Center Elementary School in south Georgia was a serious threat, Waycross Police Chief Tony Tanner said.

School officials alerted police Friday after a pupil tipped off a teacher that a girl had brought a weapon to school. Tanner said the students apparently planned to knock the teacher unconscious with a crystal paperweight, bind her with the handcuffs and tape and then stab her with the knife.

"We did not hear anybody say they intended to kill her, but could they have accidentally killed her? Absolutely," Tanner said. "We feel like if they weren't interrupted, there would have been an attempt. Would they have been successful? We don't know."

The children, ages 8 to 10, were apparently mad at the teacher because she had scolded one of them for standing on a chair, Tanner said.

Two of the students were arrested on juvenile charges Tuesday and a third arrest was expected. District Attorney Rick Currie said other students told investigators they didn't take the plot seriously or insisted they had decided not to participate.

"Some of the kids said, `We thought they were just kidding,"' Currie said. "Another child was supposed to bring a toy pistol, and he told a detective he didn't bring it because he thought he would get in trouble."

Currie said the children are too young to be charged as adults, and probably too young to be sentenced to a youth detention center.

Police seized a steak knife with a broken handle, steel handcuffs, duct tape, electrical and transparent tape, ribbons and the paperweight from the students, Tanner said.

Currie said he decided to seek juvenile charges against two girls, ages 9 and 10, who brought the knife and paperweight and an 8-year-old boy who brought tape. He said all three students faced charges of conspiracy to commit aggravated assault, and both girls were being charged with bringing weapons to school.

Nine children have been given discipline up to and including long-term suspension, said Theresa Martin, spokeswoman for the Ware County school system. She would not be more specific but said none of the children had been back to school since the case came to light.


More at CBS News.

I just think this is indicitive of the type of kids being raised today. I think this thread wasn't a joke nor will it be the last time we hear of 10 year olds plotting murder together. What I find really odd is that it appears a little girl was the ringleader.]]>
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/0...8145.shtml


Quote:(AP) A group of third-graders plotted to attack their teacher, bringing a broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape and other items for the job and assigning children tasks including covering the windows and cleaning up afterward, police said Tuesday.

The plot involving as many as nine boys and girls at Center Elementary School in south Georgia was a serious threat, Waycross Police Chief Tony Tanner said.

School officials alerted police Friday after a pupil tipped off a teacher that a girl had brought a weapon to school. Tanner said the students apparently planned to knock the teacher unconscious with a crystal paperweight, bind her with the handcuffs and tape and then stab her with the knife.

"We did not hear anybody say they intended to kill her, but could they have accidentally killed her? Absolutely," Tanner said. "We feel like if they weren't interrupted, there would have been an attempt. Would they have been successful? We don't know."

The children, ages 8 to 10, were apparently mad at the teacher because she had scolded one of them for standing on a chair, Tanner said.

Two of the students were arrested on juvenile charges Tuesday and a third arrest was expected. District Attorney Rick Currie said other students told investigators they didn't take the plot seriously or insisted they had decided not to participate.

"Some of the kids said, `We thought they were just kidding,"' Currie said. "Another child was supposed to bring a toy pistol, and he told a detective he didn't bring it because he thought he would get in trouble."

Currie said the children are too young to be charged as adults, and probably too young to be sentenced to a youth detention center.

Police seized a steak knife with a broken handle, steel handcuffs, duct tape, electrical and transparent tape, ribbons and the paperweight from the students, Tanner said.

Currie said he decided to seek juvenile charges against two girls, ages 9 and 10, who brought the knife and paperweight and an 8-year-old boy who brought tape. He said all three students faced charges of conspiracy to commit aggravated assault, and both girls were being charged with bringing weapons to school.

Nine children have been given discipline up to and including long-term suspension, said Theresa Martin, spokeswoman for the Ware County school system. She would not be more specific but said none of the children had been back to school since the case came to light.


More at CBS News.

I just think this is indicitive of the type of kids being raised today. I think this thread wasn't a joke nor will it be the last time we hear of 10 year olds plotting murder together. What I find really odd is that it appears a little girl was the ringleader.]]> http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=255 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:53:54 -0700 http://www.debateful.com/showthread.php?tid=255

1. But McCain said some things, how Hussein, is qualified to be *President*.:sick:
2. Throwing a bone to a reporter or two.:embarrased:
3. I think thats kinda stupid.
4. I would say, "Hussein isn't qualified to lead a *Worm Race*.
5. Never would I build him up.
6. Let the neo~liberal media do that.
7. McCain is playing into their hands, which is foolish.
8. Even if it looks like he will win the Democratic Nomination, never build up the competition.
9. This is a mistake, you can't call it anything else.:shame:
10. Wise men will vote for him, but what he said was *UnWise*.
11. READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE:http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2008/04/mccain_obama_absolutely_qualif.html?hpid=topnews


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By Zachary A. Goldfarb
Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, said Sunday that the leader for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, would be "absolutely" qualified to be president, should the voters elect him. But, he said, "I believe that my talent and my background and my experience, which has led to my judgment, ... qualifies me more."

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Regards,
SirJamesofTexas]]>

1. But McCain said some things, how Hussein, is qualified to be *President*.:sick:
2. Throwing a bone to a reporter or two.:embarrased:
3. I think thats kinda stupid.
4. I would say, "Hussein isn't qualified to lead a *Worm Race*.
5. Never would I build him up.
6. Let the neo~liberal media do that.
7. McCain is playing into their hands, which is foolish.
8. Even if it looks like he will win the Democratic Nomination, never build up the competition.
9. This is a mistake, you can't call it anything else.:shame:
10. Wise men will vote for him, but what he said was *UnWise*.
11. READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE:http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2008/04/mccain_obama_absolutely_qualif.html?hpid=topnews


"

By Zachary A. Goldfarb
Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, said Sunday that the leader for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, would be "absolutely" qualified to be president, should the voters elect him. But, he said, "I believe that my talent and my background and my experience, which has led to my judgment, ... qualifies me more."

"



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas]]>